I had a good talk/type/chat with toby. There is a lot we agree on, but unfortunately this issue isn't one of those things. I don't do well with secret/selectively enforced rules and I really don't do well with "...because I said so..." explanations. Typically when faced with that, I just take my ball and go home. While I feel like there is a little bit of both of those still going on with this topic, I also think I have a good enough feel for where toby is coming from that I get his intentions. If we could have the best of both worlds, easy access to all the relevant information AND not support ST in any way at the same time, then everyone would be happy but it doesn't look like that's the case right now.
Which brings us to the present situation. He asked me to remove all the links in the seed threads I created. Another thing I don't do well with is having my hand forced in a way that at all appears like my action was voluntary. What I did was replaced the links with the following:
Due to an unfortunate ideological disagreement, I'm no longer allowed to post links to what I feel are previous quality discussions on this topic. If you want a history lesson, you can do a web search with the title of this thread + " Rock Climbing".
If you find this edit confusing or want to discuss it's impact on the current discussion, there is a place for that. Please do it here:
I feel like that strikes an acceptable compromise.
- It makes it clear that my posts were censured, which I don't agree with but am complying.
- It still gives anyone motivated enough to find the info, in a way that's completely separate from RPU. No mention of ST. Don't forget that we all remember ST, but new users won't so you can't just say "go to 'the old place' and look it up".
- It points people here for discussion instead of cluttering up the climbing topics with administrative discussions about forum rules (and thank you Toby for cleaning up this stuff from those threads and moving it here).
- It's respectful. No name calling, or wining. Just stating the facts of the situation.
So there you go.