Rope-based adjustable daisies?



  • A while back I had done a bit of experimenting to make rope-based dasies with Camp Lifts, Micro Juls, and other various hacked devices with limited results. More recently I got a pair of Petzl Evol Adjusts, but I haven't got a chance to use them yet.
    https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/Packs-and-accessories/EVOLV-ADJUST

    I just saw there is another similar thing from Camp, the Swing Dynamic Belay Lanyard:
    https://www.camp-usa.com/outdoor/product/rope-tools/swing-dynamic-belay-lanyard/

    I think the guide mode connection hole and bigger release lever of the Camp Swing might work better than the Evol Adjust holes through the middle.

    Thoughts? Anything else out there on the radar?



  • That Petzl Evol looks sorta neat. I've heard of guys using a wildcountry ropeman on some 8mm as an adjustable system.

    What are you planning on using the rope based system for? Aid leading, jugging, something else?



  • Aid leading mostly (if I ever get back in shape). Primarily used classic fixed loop daisies up to now. Didn't particularly enjoy flat webbing adjustables with buckles due to the twisting issues and releasing difficulty. The idea of a rope based system to deal with the twisting and lever release instead of buckles sounds like a winner. It helps that the cord is full strength too.



  • Rarely use a daisy. Just don't need to hang around. I go right to the top step and place the next anchor.

    They are only useful when things are really awkward or dicey.



  • Ya, daisies are not always necessary. But when they are it's nice to have the most useful, and least frustrating, tool for the job.



  • There is also a flat 'Adjustable FiFi hook' that has a 3 hole design to allow a 5-6 ml cord, the mix of skinny cord & thin flat Aluminum hook is not as confidence building
    as the "Slyde" 112558080_smallMed_1494312817.jpg



  • I have both the Kong slyde and the Kong adjustable resting fiffi in my "not quite what I'm looking for" gear bin.

    https://www.kong.it/en/2-products/items/f38-aid-climbing/p321-resting-fiffi

    I like the slyde, and it can make a functional adjustable Daisy system. With the right diameter cord it actually adjusts pretty smoothly. But both have the same problem, which is they are damn near impossible to release under load. This is less of an issue for the Fifi, since that's not really it's job. But I think the slyde acting as the Daisy adjustment needs to be releaseable. Plus the Fifi is too thin in the bottom where the cord attaches which makes it too hard to adjust.

    I don't have one, but the Alfrifi looks like a pretty solid adjustable fifi and people seem to love them. If anything the buckle makes it look a little bulky.
    https://www.skotswallgear.com/



  • @Smokey said in Rope-based adjustable daisies?:

    I have both the Kong slyde and the Kong adjustable resting fiffi in my "not quite what I'm looking for" gear bin.

    https://www.kong.it/en/2-products/items/f38-aid-climbing/p321-resting-fiffi

    I like the slyde, and it can make a functional adjustable Daisy system. With the right diameter cord it actually adjusts pretty smoothly. But both have the same problem, which is they are damn near impossible to release under load. This is less of an issue for the Fifi, since that's not really it's job. But I think the slyde acting as the Daisy adjustment needs to be releaseable. Plus the Fifi is too thin in the bottom where the cord attaches which makes it too hard to adjust.

    I don't have one, but the Alfrifi looks like a pretty solid adjustable fifi and people seem to love them. If anything the buckle makes it look a little bulky.
    https://www.skotswallgear.com/

    How could I have forgot to mentioned my favorite device?
    I have used 1 (or, often 2 together)The Kong Robot for more than 20 years
    (just when I think I have the picture sizing figured out)

    111640234_smallMed_1494298058.jpg

    releasable under load by using a cord, rigged through the 'slide'

    Also - this is not what you are looking for
    but still (at least From the title of the video...)
    A Video trying to demonstrate releasing The "Hydro-Robot" under load! (unfortunately not in English)



  • Interesting. Not sure where I could incorporate the robot. Looks cool though.

    I should have specified what I think are the requirements for a good rope-based adjustable Daisy...

    1. doesn't twist up over time, and minimally adds to the general clutter.
    2. releasable under load
    3. good connection points. doesn't add unnecessary wasted distance between you and the gear. lets you get in as close as possible.
    4. doesn't add unnecessary bulk and weight (not huge and mechanically complex)
    5. as full strength as possible.

    Aid masters... What am I missing from the wish list?



  • So have you used a non adjustable / regular daisy?

    I dont like the adjustables as there is too much futzing going on and all adjusting that slows you down.



  • Ya, The majority of pitches I've done have been classic fixed loop daisies.
    One of the reasons I like the adjustables, especially something that meets the list above, is you can leave them fully extended and treat them like normal daisies or yard in and get the length right for each piece. With the rope based you can even tie them off to essentially any legth and make them fixed so it won't move around.



  • So,... now Smokey is banned for posting links?

    What are the rules???



  • The way I read what happened is the supertaco is dead and redpoint isn't meant to be a forum to keep kicking that dead horse.



  • I have had great luck with my wild country ropeman. more recently have been useing the Petzl connect. Its stiffer and not as easy as the ropeman but gets you through in a pinch. ropeman will come back out if I ever get back into GU FA's


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