Road Trippin' Rigs



  • @Scole Genifer is presently lusting after a Ford Explorer. We'd be buying new as I fear inheriting other people's problems and like to know the history of the vehicle (carfax is not to be trusted). Then we drive 'em into the ground. 😉

    Regarding financing: The two times I've bought a new rig, although pre-approved, we ended up getting better terms from the dealer financing, e.g. 3 years, zero interest, 4 years @ 1% interest. And that seems key, while others are stretching their terms of tyranny out to five or six years, you get pretty good options for the shorter term loans if you can handle the monthly payments. Also pays out on the back end as comprehensive premiums drop dramatically once you own the "pink slip". And no, it is not because the rig suddenly looses half it's value once paid for.

    One rig does all is a tough nut to crack though so I still want to restore my '91 F-150. Mostly body and cosmetics - the "eco friendly" paint jobs just do not last like the stuff from the 50's and 60's. Fortunately, I have a good buddy who does body and paint as a hobby/supplemental income. Engine is still pretty sound but I need to rebuild front end and transmission. Engine has three or four hundred thousand on it and hardly burns any oil. And while I favor "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", since this will be a strip down to frame restoration, it may be prudent to rebuild the engine while I am at it. On the other hand, I am curious to see just how many miles I can get out of it!

    Heh, one more year and I qualify for "classic vehicle" license plates.

    Edit: The weakest link in the chain is probably wiring and electrical. All those off road miles vibrations take a heavy toll on electronics. And even good copper oxidizes with the decades.



  • The credit union recommendation is for used. New you can't beat the dealer. By all means keep the old girl with the straight six. I don't think a new 4x4 cargo sprinter is much more than any other full size 4x4 rig?



  • @NickG I priced out GM and Dodge diesel 2500's when my '01 F-150 was totaled. Genifer wanted a trailer and I don't like towing anything heavier than a boat with gasoline rigs - fuel economy goes down the toilet and they suck on hill and mountain passes. Was looking at a good $80K or so once "fleshed out". Add another $20K for Ford. I would not buy a used GM as the Durmax's of a few years ago had weak bottom ends and were prone to breaking under load. Also prefer the Allison transmission. The current Cumming's are not getting near the million miles of the old "Twelve Valves" of yore. Else otherwise I'd be preferring an inline six cylinder diesel 😜

    In any case: 'twixt tow vehicle and a trailer...... the math is just too nuts so we took that off the table.



  • Pretty sure a new 4x4 sprinter base is under 50k??



  • So I just found it. Brand new 4x4 144inches wheel base 62k 0.0 60month financing. Your build with solar installation windows etc. Should not be more than 4k materials..



  • @NickG Diesel or gasoline? It's the former that really adds the hefty premium to "base". I eschew all that luxury stuff, as it is just one more thing to break but Genifer is really loving stuff like lane control, nearness warnings, and rear backup camera.



  • 6 cyl diesel.



  • Don't know if it's base or not? The local dealership has four 144in high top 4x4 2019 cargo vans. 61.9k to62.9k



  • @NickG If you are ever out this way (Seattle), we will have to do some jammin'.



  • @Moose Stanley Lake is near Stanley. 😆



  • @toby I'm pretty sure it was Stanley lake that lost its beach in the first earthquake? Part of the ground subsided there.



  • @Moose love for this stupid pandemic to go away so we could get on the road and do some jamming!



  • @NickG I'm having the best luck on Cargurus. Carfax has fair results too, but tend to be higher in price, generally, for similar vehicles.



  • Best "investment" I ever made 😉

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    Complimented with a shell back in the day but that day is long past, as I don't groove on the condensation from the fiberglass rigs so went old school aluminum skin on wood frame. Insulated and interior paneling. Drapes and such. I had extra insulation added to the roof for Team Husky since it took the most direct sun. Just a bit taller than the truck's cab - enough that I could sit in a low slung beach chair and have sufficient head room to be comfy. The "bench" Ace is sitting on was my poor weather and early morning coffee cooking area. Else otherwise just used the tailgate. Alas, the shell was vandalized by an emotionally/behaviorally disturbed student during my teaching days.

    Edit: This pic was taken upon exit from a twelve day backpacking trip into the Sawtooths. Hence the triumphant fist pump. Next stop: Pizza in Stanley (and a beer for dad)! 🍕 🍺



  • Genifer is becoming increasingly keen on the Ford Explorer. In no small part because our '07 Ford Fusion has "been so good to us". Approaching 200K miles of predominantly city driving with naught else other than routine maintenance, I concur. That was back shortly after Ford had bought out Mazda, however, so our Fusion is essentially a Mazda chassis and power train sporting a Ford body and interior compliments. Guess what has been the weakest link in that chain? Yep, interior and exterior accoutrements. Hence, I am not so eager to automatically grace Explorers w/the same vote of confidence (nor the newer Fusions for that matter).

    So I suggested Toyota 4Runner. Quick price check by her points to adding about $10K for the 4Runner. Kind of like Ford being the king of trucks. Only add $20K if it is also a Ford Diesel rig. Anywho.... not done any research on either as of yet but am interested in reports by owners of either. Did you simply take the "safe bet" and go with the herd, buy based on "brand loyalty" or did you evaluate alternatives? If the latter, what was the logic behind your decision. Both pros and cons cuz no matter how great there are always also a few warts.

    Thanks in advance. 🍺



  • the exploder can be turned into a camper but nothing like a Transit. the AWD transit only comes as a gasser though...



  • @NickG Good to know. This unit will need to also serve as daily driver and Genifer is uncomfortable driving larger rigs. Hence the 4Runner/Explorer compromise. Were I back in regular dirt bag mode bitd, your rig in 4x4 would have been the bee's knees. Of course Sprinters had not yet been invented yet either .....

    An Explorer/4Runner sized SUV could get the job done for the two of us. Need more cargo haulage capabilities when we take niece's camping and I was hoping to be able to "slim down" to a single rig. That said, the youngest starts high school this year so not many of those trips left before they're onto other things. So I am thinking the mid sized SUV may well be the sweet spot on this one.



  • the bouldering kid next to us in a explorer. His AWD had been broken for awhile but he was doing fine.
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  • @NickG Looks like that one might be an "Expedition"? I was a Chevy guy during my ricky racer days but a Ford guy ever since the "Black Truck", "Gold Truck" (totaled when a ditz w/a cell phone glued to her head rear ended me while I was stopped in traffic), and the Fusion. Leaning towards the 4Runner on this one though, if for no other reason than reputation. Once you go AWD during the Boise winter slop you're forever spoiled so "AWD broken for a while" would be a big concern. Guessing the "for a while" bit was related to cost of repair. Reliability is a big factor in my decision matrix.

    Thanks for the input. 👍



  • definatly a ford. Kid was 2 years in full timer living in it. Rig was likly at least a quater million miler... obviously no money for fixing...


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