some trumper dude in jersey was charged wit terrorism for spitting on a grocery store worker.
Interesting food for thought here:
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@David-Harris Interesting thought food, indeed. He makes his case sound lots better than it actually is, however, by conveniently overlooking key concerns:
Dr Judith Wasserheit, chair of the University of Washington department of global health and co-director of the MetaCenter for Pandemic Preparedness and Global Health Security, said there is limited evidence for the approach and that it would be difficult to protect the vulnerable.
“It would be quite challenging to separate older adults from potentially infectious younger members of the population,” Dr Wasserheit said.
“In addition, we do not know how frequently immunity occurs after infection with this virus, and if it occurs, how strong that immunity is and how long it lasts.”
So we're willing to roll the dice and bet wrong on the whole herd immunity concept and risk killing some significant percentage of the herd? I have had influenza before. I can get it again. People with flu shots still get the flu. We are not gods but we sure do enjoy playing one in front of the cameras.
Thanks for posting that up though as social influencers have been pushing this line hard recently.
Malaria Drug Chloroquine No Better Than Regular Coronavirus Care, Study Finds
Mega doses of a Vitamin C do seem to help
Dr. Andrew G. Weber, a pulmonologist and critical-care specialist affiliated with two Northwell Health facilities on Long Island, said his intensive-care patients with the coronavirus immediately receive 1,500 milligrams of intravenous vitamin C.
Identical amounts of the powerful antioxidant are then readministered three or four times a day, he said.
“The patients who received vitamin C did significantly better than those who did not get vitamin C,” he said.
“It helps a tremendous amount, but it is not highlighted because it’s not a sexy drug.”
A spokesman for Northwell — which operates 23 hospitals, including Lenox Hill Hospital on Manhattan’s Upper East Side — said vitamin C was being “widely used” as a coronavirus treatment throughout the system, but noted that medication protocols varied from patient to patient.
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From NBC News via Yahoo repost:
Here’s the bad news: Despite that spending agreement in Congress, much of our country and politics continue to be living in two completely different worlds when it comes to the virus. For example:
World 1: “We're not slowing it, and it is accelerating on its own,” New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said on Tuesday. “One of the forecasters said to me, we were looking at a freight train coming across the country; we're now looking at a bullet train, because the numbers are going up that quickly.”
World 2: "I would love to have the country opened up and raring to go by Easter [April 12]," President Trump said yesterday in a Fox News interview. “Wouldn’t it be great to have all of the churches full?”
World 1: “Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) said Monday that he is closing the state’s K-12 schools for the remainder of the academic year,” per the Washington Post.
World 2: “As the coronavirus threatens to spread across the Lynchburg (Va.) region, Liberty University officials are preparing to welcome back up to 5,000 students from spring break this week,” the local News & Advance writes.
World 1: Whom Democrats trust for coronavirus information, per a CBS/YouGov poll: the CDC 87 percent, your governor 75 percent, the national media 72 percent, friends and family 72 percent, religious leaders 44 percent, President Trump 14 percent.
World 2: Whom Republicans trust, according to the same poll: Trump 90 percent, the CDC 84 percent, friends and family 81 percent, religious leaders 71 percent, your governor 65 percent, the national media 13 percent.
But we’re going to going to be blunt with you: This isn’t a normal policy debate, as NBC’s Benjy Sarlin points out.
Scientists and health experts are all living in World 1; those who aren’t heeding the scientists and health experts are living in World 2.
The stakes are high, and the effects will be felt soon. Choices our leaders are making right now could determine whether potentially hundreds of thousands of Americans or even millions might die in a short period and whether the country is plunged into a deep depression or a more manageable recession that goes away quickly once the threat passes.
Corona virus requires sacrifices from all of us. I'm giving up drinking for the next month.
Oh... Sorry, punctuation error:
I'm giving up. Drinking for the next month.
Stay-home order issued in Idaho
“From the get-go, our focus has been to slow the spread of coronavirus to protect our most vulnerable citizens and preserve capacity in our healthcare system,” Little said. “And from the beginning, I stated my commitment to making decisions about our response to coronavirus based on science. With confirmed community transmission of coronavirus now occurring in Idaho’s most populated areas, we need to take strong measures to ensure our healthcare facilities are not overburdened. I am following the guidance of our public health experts and issuing a statewide stay-home order effective immediately.”
All Idaho residents must self-isolate and stay home, working from home if possible unless working for an essential business.
Residents are allowed to obtain or provide essential services
People over age 65 and/or health-compromised should avoid leaving their homes
Non-essential business must take necessary steps to enable work from home
Grocery stores, healthcare facilities, gas stations, pharmacies essential government offices, laundromats and financial institutions are on the list of essential businesses allowed to remain open. Restaurants may only operate drive-thru, carryout or delivery service.
Non-essential facilities and services, including bars, nightclubs, indoor gyms, recreational facilities and other entertainment venues are among those closed by the order
Public transit may only operate to access or provide essential services
All non-essential travel must cease
Limit all non-essential gatherings of any number of individuals outside the household
Outdoor activity near your home is allowed, provided a distance of six feet is maintained from others not in your household
In a bold move our state leaders finally decided to give logic and reason greater credence than various misinformation being propagated by various political agendas. Better late than never. Thank you.
Social distancing, 1980 version:
Interesting food for thought here:
Real science from the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team
tl;dr?? The study reportedly influenced both UK's PM and POTUS to back off from misinformation campaigns prioritizing markets and economies over the health and welfare of their citizenry.
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@toby , say, thanks for sharing this with us all...
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@toby --thanks for sharing... they finally did that 2? days ago here in mich... (i say finally, as, my sis, in calif, had shared what was going on, over there... and, i had heard utah? at least in one place had? ... and somewhere else... not sure but, i think texas areas, have as well... i will check again, with the friends and family there... god bless, thanks again for all the sharing here...
Why is coronavirus so variable in the severity of it's attacks.
Speculative, but interesting and I am happy to hear that somebody is concerned enough to start generating hypotheses.
Is that the reason why having ventilators has suddenly become so important?
This is absolutely why ventilators are really important. The virus causes havoc in the respiratory system and makes it more difficult for people to breathe. … But the really serious problems seem to occur not just as a consequence of the infection itself but because of the body’s attempt to fight that infection. So the immune system will typically mount some kind of defense against the virus. But in some cases, that defense goes berserk. So the immune system radically overreacts and launches what is known as a cytokine storm.
And those kinds of reactions, that cytokine storm, are pretty common for a lot of new and severe infections. We saw them with the 1918 flu pandemic. We saw them with, I think, the 2009 flu pandemic. A lot of these new emerging infections cause the immune system to overreact because nothing like them has ever been encountered by an immunologically naive population before. And that overreaction drives a lot of the more severe symptoms that we see among the most severe cases of Covid-19.
I’m glad you brought up the more severe cases, because, as we all know, some people experience mild fever and chills and they eventually get over it while others are being hospitalized right now. Do we know the reason why some people are affected so strongly while others are not?
I would say that unfortunately, we don’t. Certainly, age seems to be a factor in that. Older people are at greater risk of more severe illness and, sadly, of dying from the disease. We don’t really know why that is. It might just be that older people are less able to mount an efficient initial immune response against the virus.
But there are almost certainly other factors at work here. We know that even within an age group, some people are more likely to get severe disease than others. Maybe that has something to do with their genetics. I think that’s very likely. It might have to do with, for example, the initial amounts of virus that they are exposed to.
A lot of younger people who seem to be doing really badly are health care workers who might be exposed to much higher levels of virus because they’re treating people who are very sick.
Other aspects of the immune system, like people’s preexisting degree of immunity — not to this virus, but just in terms of how well their immune system is working — that might have an impact. There are lots of possible variables, and we don’t know which one of those is important right now, which means that we only have a very crude understanding of who is at risk and who is not.
Ah, yes.... those loverly cytokine storms....
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@toby Fascinating! Butt, our small town grocery had limited stock of TP today, along with "one per family" sanitary wipes, rice, dressing for the frozen turkey I bought, & lots of meat. Still no chicken breasts, but "life is Gud" in Choss Creek, Idaho.
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Back to what I asserted, might be spreading Coronavirus, in my first post on this thread"
A NY Times report today mentions:
"With the current coronavirus, researchers are also finding that there are more asymptomatic cases than were known early on in the pandemic. Classified data from the Chinese government that was reported in the South China Morning Post indicated that up to a third of all people who tested positive for the coronavirus could have been silent carriers. Widespread testing on the Diamond Princess showed that half of the positive cases on board the cruise ship had no symptoms. And officials in Iceland, who have tested a high proportion of citizens in the country, have found similarly high percentages of asymptomatic infection." https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-americans-probably-wear-masks-141420450.html
There is a ton yet to be learned after it all just disappears in a day or two.
There is now an antibody test set to be released. This should be helpful in unraveling some of the mysteries.
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And now a Monte Python scene:
rather on point. Seems like NYC is about 200 people a day..
@NickG Indubitably. They had to send refer truck to NYC for storage of the dead due to morgues being overwhelmed. Navy hospital ship USNS Comfort also put into dock. I forget how many beds. That, plus the emergency triage tents. Man! Oh man!!! I am glad I do not live in New York.
I have been hunkered down but ran out of beer today. Seeing how beer is essential, I made a run to the local convenience mart, half expecting a ghost town. I was surprised. Folks seem to be more or less disregarding the governor's request. They just do not get it. Yet. Because, for the most part, it has not hit Idaho, where they live. Yet.
On a "lighter" note: Wicked sense of humor there, @DingusMcgee. You know us geek types hold a special place in our hearts for the full monty. Appreciated.
I think we are doing rather well in VT maybe we started our shut down soon enough. Only about 20 new cases a day but that number is holding steady instead of doubleing every day like it was last week. only 19 hospitalized out of 256.. if that trend holds we might get through it in decent shape????